A LETTER TO JESUS
LOOKING FOR ANSWERS
Robert B. Jordan
How you doing? I hope this finds you well. Mimi and I are getting by best we can, in spite of all the physical miseries old age brings. All our family members are in good shape, not 100%, but who is?
I’m writing to solicit your help in clarifying a few things that are bothering me; hopefully you can find the time to respond.
There are those that don’t believe you ever existed. Then, there are others who believe you did. And there are a few that think maybe you did, but don’t know for sure because there is very little evidence of your existence, except for the bible thing, which is filled with errors, and contradictions. Your actual birth date is a mystery because no one knows for sure. The year, month, and date are all lost to history, so there are many opinions, and controversies. There are differing theories about why December 25th was picked. I guess we are free to believe what we will about the date, depending on which theory one embraces. So, when were you born?
It is said that one day you will return to earth. I wish you’d get with it. What’s the hold up? It’s been over 2000 years you know. Oh wait, if you never existed in the first place, how could you exist now and come back? Sorry, I wasn’t thinking. Well anyway let’s assume for the moment you did exist so I can continue with this letter.
We need to get some things straightened out and clarified; you are the only one that can do it. For instance, a virgin birth, and rising up from the dead and ascending into heaven! Tell us the truth. Did those things really happen or were they the product of someone’s imagination? There are so many contradictions, and unbelievable events in what we’ve been led to believe. It sure would help if you could clarify, when you have time. Those two things are hard to believe and accept.
I understand all this bible business began in 1400 BC with the Hebrew Old Testament, is that correct? I also understand that’s about the same time the 10 Commandments were given to Moses. It is said that there were many prophecies written centuries before your birth that actually came true. One thing that lends to the feelings of doubt is that the bible was written over a 1500-year period by 40 different authors. How did all the facts spanning that period be accurate. Some scholars say that to believe the bible one must ignore facts of science and history and just proceed on “blind faith.” There have been some very bad things happen to some folks who followed blindly.
Those bible authors had a hit though. The bible has sold over 5 billion copies over the years and currently sells 100 million copies annually. However, I’m saddenedl at what pain and misery it has caused. I mean did you really intend to have thousands upon thousands of people killed in the name of Christianity. Many that believed were killed by those that didn’t believe or believed in something different. And, many that didn’t believe or believed in something different were killed by those that did believe. Very confusing – I don’ think that’s what you had in mind, was it? And burning heretics alive at the stake was a pretty gruesome punishment.
What about all the various interpretations of what you taught, and how to worship? The Catholics have their version; the Baptists have several, as do the Methodists, not to mention the Lutherans, and all the other interpretations. It just seems to me that if in fact you did live, preach and teach, there should be just one true version. Doesn’t that make sense? I suppose it’s more lucrative for those that have created different interpretations – getting their piece of the pie, as it were. Religion is a big business, but I guess you know that.
How about the Hindus and the Buddhists and the Muslims, etc? Do you like any of those writings, and/or teachings?
Now, this may sound harsh, but your father did a really lousy job of creating us. That is if that’s really how we got here. What was he thinking? Is it true that he created us in his image? If so, I’m not at all impressed with his image. I lean more towards man created him in our image. I just can’t buy into him ripping a rib out of Adam and creating Eve.
Your father doesn’t really exist, does he? Those old guys made him up, didn’t they? Was it to help sell more bibles? The modern-day fiction and science fiction writers can’t hold a candle to all those old bible authors.
Speaking of Adam and Eve, the first and only people, how did their sons find their wives? Where did those women come from?
If your father actually exists, can you maybe explain to me why he allows things like the Aurora theater shooting, all the school shootings, the almost daily mass shootings, the atrocities over the centuries in Africa and Eastern Europe, genocide, Stalin and Hitler, Charlie Manson, Ted Bundy, John Gilbert Graham? How about little kids dying of awful sicknesses? Recently here in my town a fifth-grade boy was killed by a hit and run driver, why? How about the gassing of those people in Syria? Recently an Oklahoma politician named George Faught said that rape and incest are the will of God. That can’t be, can it?
Before you answer, I must caution you that I cannot accept things like “God works in mysterious ways,” or “God needed that 5th grade boy to come to him,” or “Don’t take the bible literally.” Excuse my language, but that’s poppycock! Those are just copouts because folks have no answers, they don’t know. I think your father has a bad attitude Jesus. Sorry I just had to say that.
Are you beginning to see why I’m confused, and frustrated, and just a little angry? Religious people have it so easy by just passing things off on you, and your father. Honestly, I don’t think that is at all how it works. We mortals are rational animals that live and die as a result of just being animals. We get sick, we get injured, and we eventually die, and that will continue unless some power hungry, demented person (created in His image) destroys us all.
And that begs the question: Why can’t we learn from history? Why weren’t we given the ability to look at past blunders, and not repeat them?
It seems strange to me when someone asks for prayers to help heal someone who is sick, or injured, or dead. Where were you and/or your father when they got sick, or got injured, or died? Since you allowed it to happen, why would praying to you after the fact help?
Like I said earlier, if you are coming back, please do it soon. We are so messed up down here. That bible has created so much misery and confusion in the world. You could straighten things out by coming on down and telling us the truth about your life, and what you believed, and taught. But alas, I fear you never existed because if you did, and your father was real, you guys wouldn’t let all this horrible stuff go on day after day, year after year, would you?
I guess we’ll just have to muddle along, rational animals that we are. Our only hope is that we’ll become more and more rational, if in fact we survive what those old men created with that bible thing and survive each other.
Nice talking with you, hope to hear back soon.
Robert B. Jordan
PS: Is it okay with you if I share your response with other people?
“There is only one religion, though there are a hundred versions of it.”
George Bernard Shaw
RBJ33 (author) on September 09, 2019:
Thank you for your comment. It certainly displayed your extensive knowledge and beliefs. It did not however change mine. I survived a dozen years in Catholic schools and have actually read the New Testament, twice over the years. You make many good strong arguments, but skirt other issues with the normal Christian babble that contradicts itself. I appreciate your passion and respect your knowledge and acknowledge your beliefs. I will not however engage in a debate with you - that would be fruitless. My best thoughts to you.
Betty A F from Florida on September 09, 2019:
Response from a Christian part 2.
I ran out of allowed characters in the first response, so this is a continuation.
There are those who have studied the subject of Biblical accuracy to the earliest known copies, and the New Testament books are more accurate than other famous ancient writings that nobody questions. Plato, Homer's Iliad, Socrates, and many others hold less accuracy through translations than the Bible itself. The Bible has been translated and copied thousands of time more than the other documents, and still it is the most accurate, at a rate of 99.5%. Norman Geisler & Peter Bocchin, and Bruce Metzger are three such experts that you can look into on this subject.
Martin Luther well known for taking a stand against the Catholic church and starting the "Reformation," of the Prodestant church, had a bounty placed on his head for taking a stand based on what the Bible actually says. He believed that what the Catholic church taught at that time was Antichrist in nature. Here's a link where you can read more on this subject
As you can see, it has never been God's word that caused different harmful actions thought out history. No, these actions were carried out by unlearned, self righteous, people who believed that their ideas were higher than God's instruction.
"The Catholics have their version; the Baptists have several, as do the Methodists, not to mention the Lutherans, and all the other interpretations. It just seems to me that if in fact you did live, preach and teach, there should be just one true version. Doesn’t that make sense?"
Sometimes, history get's it wrong, and this is where I fully rely upon God's word to tell us when His doctrine was taught. The earliest forms of religion have been uncovered through archaeology with cave drawings and stone writings. God's word shows that the earliest teachings were verbal, passed down from generation to generation. It also tell us that He created all things in Genesis chapter 1.
But the Prophet Isaiah clarifies this:
Isaiah 46: 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
God has been speaking since the beginning.
As for other belief systems, almost from the beginning people began looking for their own thing. Even from Cain in the Adam and Eve account. Cain clearly didn't want to listen to God, and though God warned him about sin lying at his door, Cain would not hear. He went on to slay his brother, and there is no account recorded where Cain repented or even understood his terrible deed.
Seeing that even the earliest people alive ignored God's instruction, even though at that time, it was directly and verbally given to them, how is it that millions of other belief systems being formed is a surprise to anyone?
"Now, this may sound harsh, but your father did a really lousy job of creating us. That is if that’s really how we got here. What was he thinking? Is it true that he created us in his image? If so, I’m not at all impressed with his image. I lean more towards man created him in our image. I just can’t buy into him ripping a rib out of Adam and creating Eve."
This is a sad stance. First you say that God, who created not only men and women, but all of Creation, "did a lousy job." He didn't do a lousy job. Haven't you ever been in complete awe as something in nature that was just to beautiful for words? If so, God created it!
When sin entered in through the lack of humankind listening to God, we corrupted ourselves. God sent His son to help us to get back on track. He wants us to be what He originally intended us to be, "in His image." This is why there is a purging that takes place in the hearts of believers. You know this world is very corrupt, but God didn't leave us in all this corruption. He made a way by sending His son, who by Him and through Him, we could all overcome. That is how much God thinks of us!
"If your father actually exists, can you maybe explain to me why he allows things like the Aurora theater shooting, all the school shootings, the almost daily mass shootings, the atrocities over the centuries in Africa and Eastern Europe, genocide, Stalin and Hitler, Charlie Manson, Ted Bundy, John Gilbert Graham? How about little kids dying of awful sicknesses? Recently here in my town a fifth-grade boy was killed by a hit and run driver, why? How about the gassing of those people in Syria? Recently an Oklahoma politician named George Faught said that rape and incest are the will of God. That can’t be, can it?"
Once again, every evil thing in this world is the result of man ignoring God's instruction.
Not everyone will listen, most don't even care to listen to Him or believe Him. Why is it you would blame God for this? Listen, God never promised that those in this world would ever be perfect. This is a great big school room, and we are all tested, tried, and faced with difficulties in life. People do bad things, without question. God doesn't approve of these horrific acts, and nobody can escape His justice, but for now it is what it is.
Heaven is the only perfect place that exists, and if God opened the gates to everyone, then heaven would be no different than this wicked world. The goal of a Christian is to seek God in all of his or her ways, and to be renewed and changed from the worldly corruption into a person worthy of Heavenly residence.
As you said, "“God works in mysterious ways,”
He does, but for those who are in Christ Jesus and seeking Him in all their ways, the "mysteries," are not completely hidden. Though we see through a glass darkly, we will one day see Him face to face. There are sure benefits of believing in God and abiding in Christ and the hope and assurity that comes with this is beyond comforting and beyond words.
"Like I said earlier, if you are coming back, please do it soon. We are so messed up down here. "
You don't have to wait until God returns to find the peace that comes only from Him. A Christian walk is not, nor was it ever promised to be an easy one. But accepting Jesus, believing in Him and trusting Him to teach you and direct your steps is paramount.
This is where we find peace, knowing that no matter what is is, be it illnesses, violence, storms or any other event that leaves us unsettled. The only real peace is in Christ Jesus.
Isaiah 43: 2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.
That is not just a verse to believers. That is a fact.
It's difficult to imagine how people go through life without faith in Jesus. I've seen loved ones pass on, and family members overcome the pain by clinging to Christ and His promises. For those who don't know Him, there's a sadness without hope, without promise and everything becomes meaningless. Here are two verses for you that I pray blesses you and your wife.
Psalms 25: 7 Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O LORD.
Psalms 119: 9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
Psalms 34: 11 Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD.
I'm adding you and your wife to my prayers.
Betty A F from Florida on September 09, 2019:
A response from a Christian,
"....here is very little evidence of your existence, except for the bible thing, which is filled with errors, and contradictions."
The Bible is not filled with contradictions. simply because we can't make sense of a subject, does not mean that with time, understanding of that subject will come. Most people I've met who deny that the bible is accurate. However, they seem to take that idea from others who have said the same things. They either got that idea from an atheistic website, or they heard it from someone else and believed it.
As for actual dates and locations of events recorded in the scriptures, such as the birth of Jesus, there are sure signs and dates that show when His birth took place, this involves study of the entire bible for those who wish to know the answer to that question.
Let me just say I used to wonder about exact locations. I watched a documentary years ago about the River Jordan, and where Jesus was baptized. There were two possible locations. There has also been much speculation about where the sepulture is located.
This made me wonder why such important landmarks were unknown. So I prayed about it. With time, I came to understand that this was no accident. Israel had gone into captivity several times throughout history, sometimes for generations. In many cases, specific locations were lost or assumed. Thousands of people travel to Israel every year to visit these locals. Even the places where they think major biblical events took place, there are monuments, and there are plenty of videos that show people worshiping these areas rather than worshiping God. A few years ago I read an article about thousands of people being baptized in one part of the Jordan river where they believed that John baptized Jesus (though the exact location is unknown,) the story was about the waters where they were being baptized being polluted with raw sewage. Personally, I thought that it was a sign that the location was not one that held importance, because God never wanted us to worship created things, but he requires that we worship Him only.
The most significant thing in creation where we can see that created it is right where you are. Look outside. See the grass, the trees, the flowers, the sky and the clouds? God created all of it, and we can all see this with our own eyes even second of every day. Still, it's wasn't created for worship.
Genesis 1: 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
The entire chapter goes into creation itself, and that is more sure than any specific dates and locations.
You said: "It’s been over 2000 years you know."
Time is a human constraint. We exist in time, but in heaven, a day is like a thousand years. The bible even tells us that God's thoughts are not our thoughts, and His ways are not our ways.
"We need to get some things straightened out and clarified; you are the only one that can do it. For instance, a virgin birth, and rising up from the dead and ascending into heaven! Tell us the truth. Did those things really happen or were they the product of someone’s imagination? There are so many contradictions, and unbelievable events in what we’ve been led to believe. It sure would help if you could clarify, when you have time. Those two things are hard to believe and accept."
People want instantaneous "proof," of everything, and for the most part, they throw accusations out like they are facts. There is actually historical proof that Jesus existed. There are ancient writings of Kings who spoke of Him in their own ledgers.
Here is a link that goes into some of the evidence of His life on this earth.
There have also been many archaeological findings, some within even the last decade that show evidence of the early church, with Christian images and other items.
Many believe and have no need for natural proof or evidence, though believers see that God created everything there's a biblical principle that Christians adhere to. It's absolutely a key element of being a Christian.
Hebrews 11: 1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
Since some use lack of proof as an excuse to not seek the truth, there is evidence of Biblical figures that goes back further than 2000 years. Here's a link to an "Ancient History," website that speaks of the old testament King Nebuchadnezzar.
There are even ancient maps that show the original cities, and locations mentioned in the scriptures. Nebuchadnezzar was king over ancient Babylon, which is Iraq and the southern portion of Syria.
None of these archaeological proofs are difficult for a person who really wants to know the truth to research.
"One thing that lends to the feelings of doubt is that the bible was written over a 1500-year period by 40 different authors. How did all the facts spanning that period be accurate. Some scholars say that to believe the bible one must ignore facts of science and history and just proceed on “blind faith.” There have been some very bad things happen to some folks who followed blindly."
What you wrote about there being so many writers of the different books of the bible is actually proof in and of itself. The books and chapters line up with each other even though the writers lived at different points in history. I have a study that you're free to read about what the Bible says about itself. Here's the link:
"I’m saddenedl at what pain and misery it has caused."
I'm saddened that you think that! God gave us instruction, and though there have been points in history where people used God's word wrongly to carry out the desires of their own hearts, God, nor His word caused it.
Please, watch this five minute video by an expert in the crusades. In it, Bill Warner explains the literal and actual facts of what took place during that time. It's a very eye opening and short video.
There's also a famous book that is historical in the accounts of the Catholic church carrying out violence towards non-Catholic Christians. There are even eyewitness accounts. The book is called, "Foxes Book of Martyrs." Here's a link to the book that is free to read online. There are also many who sell this book.
Though it's baffling that you blame God for the works of people, such as the "Salem Witch Hunts," for creating their own travesties. This is one reason why self-righteousness is so dangerous. People build their own righteousness up like towers in their own hearts, and they become so tall and high like the tower of Babylon, that they make themselves out to be gods. They feel that they are so above the sinful man that they have the right to be judge, jury and executioner.
That isn't God's doing, that is man's doing! God warned the Pharisees of these things in the pages of the Bible.
"What about all the various interpretations of what you taught, and how to worship?"
Within the Bible, the churches established by the Apostle Paul were all taught the same things. There was only one denomination. Even then people were coming into the church and bringing their own doctrines. Paul wrote extensively about this. He even warned that the time would come when people would not endure "sound doctrine," but many would follow the doctrine of devils. Paul even said that there were Antichrists among them even during that time, and Jesus warned about this very thing all the way up until the end of the world. Paul warned about things that we are even seeing today with the mixing of religions.
2 Corinthians 11: 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
The letters to the original churches are the same today as they were when they were written. Continued...