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Is Jon Snow Dead? (Game of Thrones Spoiler Alert!)

Updated on May 12, 2016
Jon Snow in HBO's Game of Thrones
Jon Snow in HBO's Game of Thrones

Spoiler Warning

Chances are that you wouldn’t have searched for something so specific as “Is Jon Snow dead?” if you haven’t already reached the end of A Dance With Dragons.

Nevertheless, if you haven’t reached the end of the most recent book in George RR Martin’s Song of Ice and Fire series, you should not read this article, as it discusses Jon Snow’s death and several theories at length and may well spoil the enjoyment you would otherwise glean from this fine series.

Is Jon Snow Dead?

Among the many fans of this series are a very vocal segment of readers/viewers who are keen to speculate on any number of its vital plot points, asking questions like, Who is Jon Snow's mother? Is Tyrion Lannister a good guy? Who is Coldhands? And what happens to Jaqen H'Ghar? At the end of the fifth novel in the series is a cliffhanger that is epic, even by GRRM’s standards, and has set the Internet ablaze with speculation about one of Ice and Fire’s favourite characters.

For many, Jon Snow is the hero of the piece, one of only a few characters who is consistently morally good (Arya and Tyrion join him here— I welcome suggestions of others). He wins the readers' sympathy by heroic deed and consistently owning the moral high ground rather than drifting in and out of our sympathies. So when we are shown what appears to be his death scene at the close of A Dance with Dragons, the reader is shocked and alarmed— and dismayed, no doubt. Can it be true? Will we really have to wait to find out?

There are a great many theories out there. GRRM is nothing if not mischievous. We’ve seen characters disappear before, only to reappear a book or two later.

  • Catelyn Stark is one example; is she dead? Yes she’s “dead,” but since she’s still walking around, exhibiting her own independent agency, she’s not dead in the traditional sense.
  • We’ve seen Brienne left hanging (if you’ll pardon the pun), and Cersei and Jaime have also both been the figurative Schrödinger's cat in GRRM’s closed box, stranded between life and death for several hundred pages.
  • Crucially, Rickon and Brandon Stark have also been portrayed as dead only to reappear a few hundred pages later.

It’s easy to believe that Jon Snow’s death is simply another ruse by this master of the plot twist. GRRM may make us think that he is dead only to dust him off and have him pop up smiling in the middle of the next book. Think about it: Did we see a body? Yes, he was stabbed four times, but were we actually told he was dead? There are any number of ways in which GRRM could be pulling the wool here, using his famed misdirection to force us to wonder, and as ever, the fan community is abuzz as a result.

Jon Snow's Death Scene

The death scene is a nasty shock to the viewer/reader. We are aware that his policies with regards the wildlings beyond the wall have been extremely unpopular with his brothers from the Night’s Watch, and we know too that the Lannisters have planted an element among the Watch to discredit or harm him on account of his Stark roots. But the idea that such a central and well-liked character could be killed off still comes as a massive shock.

But is he dead? Is his death scene exactly what it appears to be? Or are we merely told that he is stabbed and loses consciousness?

In this scene, we’re told that he never even felt the fourth knife, only the cold. This could mean anything from death to just being quite cold, by way of slipping into consciousness, and it's this deliberate vagueness that has given rise to yet more Jon Snow theories.

The Direwolf, Ghost
The Direwolf, Ghost

Possible Scenarios

Does he die? If so, will he perhaps come back from the dead? Is he going to be in the Winds of Winter?

  • It’s possible that his death scene merely describes him being attacked and knocked unconscious, and he’ll return in The Winds of Winter alive, if not well. Perhaps he’ll come to in shackles in a cell beneath the wall and some of the plot of The Winds of Winter will see him recovering and trying to escape his brother-captors before the trickle of wights becomes a flood.
  • Or perhaps he is actually dead. This wouldn't be the first time that GRRM has killed off a main, much-loved character. But can wargs really die? With his last breath, perhaps he inhabits another person nearby, or perhaps he lives on The Winds of Winter in the guise of his Direwolf, Ghost.
  • But is this theory up to scratch? Would Jon Snow living as a direwolf really satisfy the reader? Surely even the most ardent fan would rather see him die heroically than live on as a direwolf?
  • If he is dead, whose narrative focus will allow us to see the events at the wall?

Comments, please!

What do you think? Is he dead? If he is, will he come back from the dead? Are we even supposed to think he is dead, or merely that he's injured?

What's your Jon Snow theory? Let me know below.

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      Tim 21 months ago

      They didn't use swords so it's possible they missed vital organs, and we don't know what Jon's got underneath for protection. Hopefully they have a realistic reason if he survives.

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      Edward William 2 years ago from UK

      Like in Dallas?

      What if Ned wakes up from a nightmare instead? Ooooh that would be annoying.

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      Sam 2 years ago

      Jon Snow will abruptly wakeup from a nightmare.

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      skyle 3 years ago

      melissandre will burn snow body, who will revive cause he his the son of rhaegar tangaryen and lyanna and his a dragon just like daenerys.

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      Charmizzle 3 years ago

      Well. If he's the song of ice and fire.. He needs to be reborn.

      Imagining GRRM looking at this page.. And smiling. How awesome to have conspiracy theories surrounding your world.

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      Haha 3 years ago

      No important characters die for no reason. To what purpose does Jon's death serve toward advancing the story. With stanis gone mance gone the story lacks a well developed protagonist to propell the plot that has surrounded that part of the world with Jon snow out of the picture as well. It is foreshadowed that jon must kill the boy and be reborn a man.

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      KING JON BARATHEON 3 years ago

      I think Jon Stark is the Son of Robert Baratheon and Lyanna Stark cause he looks like Robert in the Drawings of GGRM Books and of course if i Remember well Nedd wanted to tell something to Robert before he left Wintefell in Lyanna's Tombstone/Grave and was related to him and her but he didn't said cause Jamie pushed that time his son Bran from the Tower and found them so they rush onto him!!

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      Stinky Nipples 3 years ago

      He dies.... just to be resurrected by the red woman and leave the Nights Watch.

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      A. Vollmer 3 years ago

      Jon Snow is a skin changer! He could always skin change to a different body and survive that way.

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      Gavriel 3 years ago

      Et tu Marsh? Then fall Jon...

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      Litros 3 years ago

      Martin's main characters may die if they are done with their part of the story. Jon's role to date could have just been allowing the wildlings south of the Wall. Once that done, he might die if that was his main role on Martin's master plot line. Think of the perspective of Jon dead in the snow, surrounded by a) the Queen's men raging because their knight has been smashed by Wun wun, b) the leaderless Night Watch men having betrayed their Lord Commander, and c) Tormund and the free folk witnessing the death of their only safeguard -beyond their weapons- south of the Wall. That is a melting pot of blood, but Tormund leads 4000 people who can slaughter the others and later scatter southward, leaving the Wall undefended against the Others...

      Reading comments I have learned (I didn't figure it out before) and embraced the idea of Jon being the son of Rhaegar and Lianna, it now makes pretty much sense to me: Ned's secrecy about the bastard, Melissandre searching on her fires for Azor Ahai and seeing just "snow", and definitely the three-headed dragon team. Be them Daenerys riding Drogon, named after her beloved Drogo; Aegon riding Rhaegal, named after his legitimate father -The Prince that was promised, as envisioned by Daenerys at the House of the Undying-; and Jon riding Viserion, the white dragon (no naming issue here, we all agree Viserys was a worthless asshole).

      Furthermore, I believe that the warg thing is up to come. Besides Bran's approaches to that kind of magic (and Arya's wolf dreams), Jon is powerful, he was told so by Varamyr Sixskins. And then there was Borroq and his giant boar, saluting Jon as "brother" just a few pages before Jon's pretended death. This particular character shouldn't have even appeared if he wasn't mean to do something important, in my opinion. And the only one around to do "something" with is Jon himself... so Jon cannot be definitely dead, just wounded. Someone said that Bran would be the third dragon rider, slipping into his skin. Well, I apply this to Jon himself: Borroq will teach him the paths to skinchanging, then Jon will be able to practice with Ghost and also the boar after Borroq's sad death (just figuring this out as I write), and finally riding Viserion while slipping into its skin to fly as a single living being.

      Besides, I also welcome the reason given by Geb: Death is the only way to leave Night Watch -if Jon needs to leave it, anyway-. So the perspective of Jon dying and later being revived by Melissandre sounds cool to me, but not necessary.

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      TrynaK. 3 years ago

      Thanks for giving me the spoiler because I'm not even going to take the time to record GOT on HBO only to watch Jon Snow get shanked by nightwatch brothers in the end. He is one of my favorite characters in the show.

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      Anon 3 years ago

      Tyrion and Arya are consistently morally good? What?

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      gregg 3 years ago

      just a thought: if he is laying face down in the snow and he doesn't feel the fourth stabbing, how does he know he has been stabbed a fourth time? Obviously he must regain consciousness at some time in the future if he is to come by this knowledge.

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      noks 3 years ago

      Can't any one see the connection... Danny died in the FIRE and was reborn Jon needs to die in the ICE to be reborn A song of FIRE and ICE

      They are enemies

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      eagle 4 years ago

      "He didn't feel the fourth knife, only the cold" or whatever that line is... couldn't this mean that those 2 bodies Jon had kept at the wall had come back as whites at that instant?... and the commotion might distract everybody and let Jon off the hook from this betrayal? What do you all think???

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      Hans wassink 4 years ago

      A way for Jon to return from the dead that no one seems to make, but is the most logical in my pov is that it's not actually jon dying but someone else. Melisandre couldve easily glamoured another wildling to act as Jon.

      Look at it, glamouring never appeared in the books and suddenly it appears several times in the last chapters of book five. Right before Jon is stabbed he visits Melisandre right?

      She saw his death coming and saved his life this way.

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      Will 4 years ago

      Forgot to explain the fire and ice part. I personally believe him to be the son of prince rhaegar and lyanna stark. The two vanished for a year (in which lyanna was locked in a tower). During that year is about the same time Jon was conceived. GRRM also reveals Lyanna died in a pool of blood and roses, and only 2 people were present at the time of her death: Ned (who showed true devotion in hiding Jon's true identity from his own wife as well as everyone else) and one of Ned's knights (I see a forthcoming about to happen)

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      Will 4 years ago

      Jon isn't dead (or at least wont stay dead). He is the product of fire and ice (I'll explain that in a minute). In the case he is dead then melisandre will bring him back as Azor Ahai (look up the prophecy and tell me it doesn't fit). While I have no idea where lightbinger is, it will end up in his possession in the 6th book. He will then cross paths with Dany only to realize he is the true master of dragons (with some help from Bran), and begin his march south. At the end of it all westeros will be 2 kingdoms, the north ruled by Jon with Sam as its grand maester and bran as lord of winterfell, and the south ruled by Dany with Tyrion as her hand (the 2 may wed since targaryaens are in to that sort of thing but I'm not going there just yet).

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      james 4 years ago

      I'm telling myself he's dead, so I don't get disappointed. I think I'd prefer him being dead to being in a wolf's body. Anyway, my hopeful theory like most people is that jon has targarean/stark blood and will be a rider of a dragon... at similar times (last 150 pages or so) in the 5th book, they have Dany riding the black dragon (Drogon?) and it mentions that she has difficulty controlling him and she's not even sure he's responding to her... The dragon has taken wounds from arrows etc and it says that the dragon's wounds are smoking (similar to Jon's wounds at the same time in the book)... Drogon (black dragon)/Jon (black cloak) are linked and Jon will ride that dragon eventually...

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      4 years ago

      Of course he is not going to be killed off. If they brung Beric and C. Stark back of course they are going to bring him back. He may just be wounded to the point of near death.

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      Jaja 4 years ago

      I think there is a clear symmetry between ice and fire characters: wolves/dragons, robb/joff, cat/cersei, ned/robert, and most of all jon/danaerys (they help wildlings/slaves, suffers from treasons from trusted people, both have to kill their love, etc.). So jon is not dead like danny. I believe they will follow a similar path: have to step back from their duties (queen of Meeren/lord commandant) before they can ultimately merge as both ice/fire characters to save the realm

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      TheRealBukzit 4 years ago

      Beware!!! Big big big SPOILER ahead!!!

      I think it's easy to see and know that Jon Snow ain't dying now. The author is just trying to find a way to end Jon's watch at The Wall so he can get involved with realm's matters not as a night-watch... So, for G.R.R.M, there's no better place to kill a guy you want to bring back to life than at The Wall during winter or near The Red Woman... and from here Jon Snow will turn out to be the ''real'' guy Melisandre's prophecies talk about (Jon has a VALERIAN steel SWORD)... He will be resurrected by ice (The Wall and winter's mystics) first then by fire (The Red god) with Melissandre doing it as a healing process after she mysteriously finds out he is a dragon -Cold Hands for example is revived by winter but ain't a bad guy- ...Jon's real mother must be Ned's sister (I'm sure of it) which makes him a Targaryen to the core (fire in his blood)... What was Ygritte's nickname again? and who was she? Hum!! ...Jon will end up riding the third dragon ...Jon Snow is The Song Of Ice And Fire. Read all the books again and you'll see sense.

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      Gil Obler 4 years ago from Bronx, New York

      I tend to believe certain theories such as Jon is Rhaegar and Lyanna's son. However, we do not know that. What we do know is that GRRM made the question of who Jon's parent(s) are an important mystery, and that does not make a lot of sense to do, if he is simply dead at the end of book 5. This is further corroborated by him asking the HBO producers "Who is Jon Snow's mother?" during their first meeting. Why would he ask this question if this would remain unresolved, or is not somehow central to the plot? So, I think we can assume that Jon survives in some form (whether directly, or is somehow revived, whether by Melisandre or someone else). Could he kill him anyway? Sure. I suppose so, since he likes to hammer home the point over and over again that he wants realism, and likes to break convention. However, it would make the question of his parentage a lot less compelling, so it seems very unlikely. A return from the dead is part of the epic journey of the classical hero, and we have already had numerous other characters survive much worse than four stab wounds, so there are lots of other reasons to doubt Jon is simply gone.

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      Eric 4 years ago

      I have read ~ 75% of posts here... It is surprising to me that I might have this reaction, but I can truly say that I will be heartbroken if Jon Snow is actually dead... When I evaluate GRRM's narrative approach, I do not believe that JS is dead; however, GRRM is a unique writer that has often surprised me. As an additional however, I do not see the value in departing from any semblance of fictional justice; if he wanted to write a piece of historical non-fiction, he should have reclassified his work long before now.

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      4 years ago

      I didn't read all these posts, so I don't know what others have said about this but it was NOT Jon Snow who was stabbed!! It was either Melisandre or a Melisandre creation.

      On page 408 (American hard back Bantam ed.) it says, "The red priestess shuddered. Blood trickled down her thigh, black and SMOKING (my emphasis). The fire was inside her... transforming her."

      Then on page 913 it says, "In the cold night air the wound was SMOKING."

      Who has blood that smokes? Melisandre. A hot, bloody wound in the cold would steam, not smoke.

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      Kevin 4 years ago

      If Martin has killed Jon I will never read another thing he writes. (Well, perhaps a personal apology...)

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      pichi 4 years ago

      "Of course he's dead" "Of course he's not" you talk like you know something the rest of us don't, but you know nothing people.

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      Fabian 4 years ago

      it was all a dream but he reawakens and see's it happen the same way that day but he keeps ghost with him.

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      alex 4 years ago

      I don't think Jon snow can be revived by Melissandre, jon belongs to the old gods. Remember the end of the third book? His direwolf is the proof of that I think. So I really hope, he will survive but not by the powers of melissandre!

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      Josey 4 years ago

      People!!!! He was stabbed FOUR TIMES!!!! With a KNIFE!!!!! He is dead, get over it!!!

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      naccer 4 years ago

      oh no no i wouldn't wish for that Jon is my favorite and if he's dead i don't think I'll watch Game of thrones or read the novels again ever again

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      Lawliet 4 years ago

      We have seen that Jon is not immune to fire like Dany when he burned his hand with the lantern.He may be a Targeryen but not a dragon.But as it seems he won't die somehow and he will leave the Night's Watch. Personally i believe that in the end of the series the Wall will fall and everyone will die because of the long winter and the Wight Walkers/Others.

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      m_art_y 4 years ago

      Think Jon has to die to honor his vows to the brothers, and will be revived. Dany will impress one dragon, Jon the 2nd, and young Griff the 3rd. The fire is needed to fight the terror of the north. My fascination is with Arya, and for some reason the young man that survived the shipwreck, Melisande is terrified of him for some reason, would be cool to uncover an entire civilization down there.

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      Dunns 4 years ago

      It's a dream and nothing more.

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      Alejandro 4 years ago

      I personally strongly believe in R+L=J. That being said I also believe that he will be killed (but then resurrected somehow) he will end his watch with the Nigjts Watch and therefore be free to take the iron throne (If he truly is the son of rhaegar then he would have the strongest claim to the throne) I also believe that he would probably either end up marrying Dany/Val. If he is king of the seven kingdoms a marriage to Val would be very advantageous in the terms of alliances with the free folk. In the aspect of Prince Aegon I believe him to be fake. There are many prophecies that warn dany of a "false dragon" therefore I believe that he was made to be a king and he himself believes to be Aegon but in reality he is not. For the dragons the two obvious ones are Dany and Jon, but who would that leave for the last dragon? Tyrian perhaps? There are many other instances were tyrion is told that he will play a big role in the upcoming events. He also dreams of dragons quite often. I don't believe that GRRM would kill off Jon because if he truly is Rhaegars son then he's the Song of Ice and Fire :D

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      Juan 4 years ago

      He is not dead. Melisandre will revive him. I like the Targaryen blood theory too.

      He will become the King in the North (including north of the Wall) and there will be no problem with the black vows because the Wall will be destroyed with the magic horn.

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      Duayne 4 years ago

      I believe he will be revived by fire, That Mellisandre will try and revive him and fail. He will then be placed within a pyre as is now custom on the wall and once the fire dies down his body will be healed showing us that he is of Targaryen blood.

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      El Dude 4 years ago

      It's not so much whether Jon is dead/dying or not. That's a given. The question is, once he is revived, IF he is revived (by medicine or sorcery), what will the betrayed new Jon Snow look like?

      How bad were his injuries? What effect will witchcraft have on his character? How did the attempted murder change his leadership style? And so on.

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      Hiruu 4 years ago

      People often forget the true title of the series…a Song of Ice and Fire. As many have speculated, I really think Jon was the by-product of Rhagear and Lyanna but the torment song of Ice and Fire. Once he meets Daenerys and those dragons respond to him like a long lost master. I’m just trying to figure out who might be the third…

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      Athanos 4 years ago

      The giant and the wildings could easily keep a fifth blow from landing. The Red Witch could easily heal four stab wounds, and certainly has the motivation to do so. Besides, if he dies, we don't get the battle of the bastards, and I've been wanting to see that for a long time.

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      Rikon lynch 4 years ago

      Jon Snow is definitely dead! But assuming Benjin Stark is coldhands, it could be that the starks have an immunity to being zombified? But even if he is resurected how will his brothers react, Im pretty sure they won't warm up to another coldhands.

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      Alexander 4 years ago

      I firmly believe that Jon Snow will be ressurected by Mellisandre.But there are many others to tell us what happens on the Wall. For example,Val Tormund Mellisandre or Sad Ed. Also I believe that the three heads of dragons will be either. Victarion,Dany, Tyrion. Either Dany,Tyrion,Aigon or maybe Dany,Tyrion,Jon Snow

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      Whatever 4 years ago

      "Kill the boy and let the man be born..."

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      Will English. 4 years ago from Marietta, Georgia.

      I think the better question is, with Melisandre around, will Jon STAY dead. My theory is no. No he won't. For me, its kind of obvious that Martin is hinting that something is gonna happen between those two and that really can't happen if he's dead.

      As for Jon blowing the Dragon Horn, maybe. But I personally don't see that happening either. Its been proven time and time again that fire and anything related to fire (the Dragon Horn included) is not gonna hurt Dany...this is, of course, assuming that her plotline ever starts moving towards Westeroes again.

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      Amber 4 years ago

      I think he's dead, and will be resurrected as others have been. Remember earlier in the book when Victarion of the Iron Fleet talks about the horn that Euron gave him to become the master of the dragons? He said that it can't be blown by anyone living, or it will kill them. If Jon is "dead" but resurrected, he could blow the horn. Just my thoughts.

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      Bob 4 years ago

      I think Jon's conscienceness will be transferred into Ghost's body just before he dies!

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      Peter 4 years ago

      i hate to say it but i can see him being dead.

      the others cannot pass the wall while the watch holds true. if he is dead, the peace he made with the wildlings would effectively be over. i can see what's left of the watch fighting with the wildlings and losing badly and the nights watch breaking up, giving the others free reign to pass the wall and attack the north

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      Ethan 4 years ago

      He is dead. When was the last time George has been nice to the Starks?

      He killed Ned in the first book, Robb in the third, Cat in the fourth, has sent Arya far away from the seven kingdoms, Sansa to the Eyrie with some pretty strange people, Bran and Rickon have been sent across the wall looking after a mutant bird... Why shouldn't Jon die? As for Matthews comment, we all thought Ned was important, and his head was on a spike, last I checked. I think that Jon is dead, and we are all looking for reasons to think that he isn't.

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      Matthew 4 years ago

      There should be very little doubt that Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. It was, thus, Jon's conception that started all of the events in these stories in motion. There is NO FREAKING WAY he is just gone now, 2/3 of the way through the story with none of that part of his past coming to the forefront. He is the rightful heir to the Iron Throne. From a structural standpoint, it would be idiotic to have him dead now.

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      Ryan Crane 4 years ago

      Earlier in the chapter before he is killed or not killed there is a part where he thinks to himself that for the man to be born the boy must die. This leads me to believe that he set it up or George is bringing him back in some other way.

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      Patrick Connolly 4 years ago

      Another thing, I have been back in forth through a lot of commentary on Jon Snow's death and the PwwP and AA and the sword and all. I think it is clear that Millasandrei (however you spell it) has cast her magic on Stannis's sword like he did with Mance and the Lord of Bones to mask them. Everyone see's lightbringer, but clearly without heat it's false. That is why Aemon being blind was immediately doubtful of it because he wasn't charmed by the glow. Just another thought I want to add. Thoughts?

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      Patrick Connolly 4 years ago

      Also, I just want to put in, I have started reading the books again and on page 636 of SoS Robb signs his royal decree about Jon Snow being his heir if he passes without one in front of a load of Lords and Ladies... Have people forgotten? I believe the saying is "the North remembers". Just another way for Martin to go if he chooses I suppose. In conclusion, THERE IS NO WAY JON IS DEAD!!! Thank you... lol

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      Patrick Connolly 4 years ago

      I think in people's ideas about the dragons and the attacks against the Others people are forgetting Aegon. Rhaegar says in Dany's vision that his story is the one of Ice and Fire so it only makes sense that he would be another of the three heads of the dragons and I also don't believe Jon is dead and he will be the third. I do think he may disappear for at least a good few hundred pages before he, in some way, makes a comeback.

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      Chris 4 years ago

      if he is truly dead than so is the series for me im done inveting my time in characters that are needed in hid sad world of every man for them self

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      KateB603 4 years ago

      I totally believe Jon Snow to be the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. If they burn his body, which they do at the wall to prevent the turning into an Other I think he will walk from the flames as Danny did.

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      jon snow lives 4 years ago

      German guy, the Pate is Jeqhen Hagar read the description of when he changes his face when he leaves arya it is exactly the same description as the alchemist who kills pate. I don't know what his intentions are though.

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      jon snow lives 4 years ago

      Azor Ahai reborn is not one person. It is the three headed dragon. The clues are everywhere and i just don't feel like typing that much so here are the heads of the dragon/dragon riders. Jon Snow, Dany, and Tyrion. This may come as a shock to many, but that is my theory please argue this I will rebut all arguments as they present themselves.

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      4 years ago

      Jon is my favourite character, but I think his dead. I the 1st book died Ned and proably Benjen. In the 3rd book Robb and Catelynwere murdered. So in the 5th book Stark also should die. Stark or Snow

      Sorry for my bad English.

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      GermanDude 4 years ago

      I can imagine pretty much everything, because GRRM never preferred the obvious, predictible way for his characters. We all wanted to see Ary ending up as master assassin, getting her revenge on Cercei and everyone else. But that won't happen. Everyone thought Dany would march west with her army at the end of ASoS, but then she had to face down-to-earth problems ruling her kingdom. In his way GRRM has always been realistic about his story. I also don't see Dany on the iron throne. I guess her fate and purpose is the endgame against the others. Nothing more. Because she is Azor Ahai reborn. It is more likely for me, that Aegon sets things straight in the southern parts of Westeros, while the north is invaded by the others. Winter finally came the citadel told us, and so do the others. And we know GRRM said the WoW will start with Victarion and the iron fleet launching their attack on slaver bay. I guess Dany will come down south with her dragon and Jhaquo's khalasar. There has to be some sort of struggle with Jhaquo, but Dothraki respect strenght and power and Dany got a dragon... And even a defeated iron fleet leaves enough ships left to carry an army to Westeros.

      I don't want Jon to be dead, but I think he eihter survives without some sort of witchcraft or dies. Perhaps the attack triggers the wildlings to take over the control at the wall. They populated every fortress of the NW and got the numbers to do so. But the "survive in Ghost" idea is the one I like the least...but then again, why mentioned GRRM the wildling skinchanger who kind of survived in his wolf? I also wonder if Stannis has been really captured or Ramsay just caught Mance who told him everything he knew.

      And no one mentions Sansa. She is also a Stark and I see Littlefinger as a big player in the endgame.

      And who took the identity of that citadel apprentice and why? After all he was able to change his face...

      I hope GRRM works fast. Don't get me wrong, I love his work, but he most likely gets a heart attack at KFC chewing on some hot wings within the next few years...Chilean coal miners live healthier.

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      Jake 4 years ago

      I think that Melisandre could posibly reserect Jon Like what Thoros did to Beric Dondarrion and what Dondarrion dit to catelyn???

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      jon snow lives 4 years ago

      I believe Jon Snow lives because his wounds are described as to be "smoking". This could mean that he has been enchanted in some way by Melisandre similar to what happened to Victarion. Secondly as he is being attacked he is somewhat paralyzed could this be the point Mellisandre is casting some spell to save his life. Even if none of this sounds plausible I still believe there is some significance to his wounds "smoking" and not steaming.

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      nokkels 4 years ago

      Jon must die just as Danny neaded to. He needs to "become a man" If the main title Is "a song of Ice and Fire" (not fire and ice whitch would have been easier to read) the two ancient enemies has there champions.

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      LordArse 4 years ago

      Pg. 807 of ADwD hard cover: " but Ashara's daughter had been stillborn , and his fair lady had thrown herself from a tower soon after, mad with grief from the child she had lost, and perhaps from the man who had dishonored her at Harrenhall as well.....if I had unhorsed Rhaegar and crowned Ashara queen of love and beauty, might she have looked tk me instead of Stark?

      To me this paragraph is more than ample evidence that Jon Snow is in fact Lyanna Starks son, and thus more than likely also Rhaegars son as well. Ned Stark did in fact have a bastard with Ashara Dayne. Barristan confirms it. But also confirms that the child was stillborn, thus cannot be Jon Snow, in addition to the fact that it is mentioned that the stillborn child is a girl. Add this to the evidence to the subject that has already been presented and you find a compelling case for L+R.

      Given all the clues GRRM leaves throughout the series, I would find it hard to believe Jon Snow to be dead, given that this hasn't been reveiled in the plot yet.

      A little off topic, but had anyone noticed how certain important characters killed their mothers during child birth? ( Tyrion, Daenarys, and Jon) for starters were born as their mothers died. I wonder what significance this could hold. Perhaps those three are all people from The Age of Heroes reborn? Thoughts?

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      Hotel66 4 years ago

      It's too bad because I always thought that eventually Jon Snow would join up with Danerys Targaryen when she came to conquer Westeros. She would take her dragons and conquer the Lannisters and the Ironmen and he would keep the Whites from coming South past the wall.

      George Martin gets much of his inspiration from Wars of the Roses and other medieval historic events that are filled with stories of the "good guy" dying. In Wars of the Roses there are a few great characters that die that are similair to Game of Thrones.

      York Vs. Lancaster and Stark vs. Lannister is an example of how similair the plots are. In wars of the Roses York-the champion of the people- wants to take down House Lancaster and the evil Queen Margaret of Anjou and her evil court faction. York ends up with his head on a spike, but his son, unlike Rob Stark, avenges him and defeats the evil Queen Maragret and the Lancasters. He becomes King Edward IV, but not before he sees his father's rotting head hanging from the walls of a city.

      I think george Martin uses these types of great tragedies to make the story interesting and to keep the "good guys" from always winning.

      I am a big Jon Snow fan and I was really pissed when he apparently gets killed, and like everybody else I am hoping he somehow lives, but I wouldn't be that surprised if George Martin really had him killed because it would follow the trend of tragedy he uses.

      On the otherhand it is hard for me to get myself to fully believe that Jon would be killed. Why would George Martin kill Eddard Stark and then Rob and Catelyn and then Jon as well? Brandon is already crippled and so that would leave only Rickon who is too young to make any difference at all for at least another 10 years.

      So if Jon is killed that would officially mean that Eddard Stark cannot be avenged by any of his sons, at least for a long time. Catelyn could do some revenge in her strange state as the Boogey Woman, but that wouldn't be the same.

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      Some Dude 4 years ago

      But it's from Jon's POV, so we can be fairly sure it's Jon. And Ghost is chained up, which is why he's not with him.

      He struggles for his sword because he's panicking amidst the chaos Wun Wun creates in tearing up Ser Patrek. Bowen Marsh cries as he says 'For the watch', because in a way he loves Jon. But what Jon does is, truly, a betrayal of the Night's Watch vows.

      I think Jon will return, somehow, but he won't be the same Jon we know and love. He'll be darker, less honourable, and deadly.

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      Howie 4 years ago

      What if its not Jon who gets stabbed, but its Thormund or Mance. Melisandre could have made the illusion again. before he gets stabbed he says he couldn't find his sword. It might then be Thormund or Mance. Melisandre could have changed Jon as early as when Mance travels from Castle Black. Also Ghost doesn't follow him as much as he used to do.

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      Faith 4 years ago

      Here's my theory about jon death. He is dead, therefore bowen marsh and the other black brother's decided to burn jon's body because they are afraid he might rise again as wight. So they burn his body, but what happens is that he rises again from the fire, not as wight, but as a Azor Ahai reborn amidst smoke and salt (smoke from the fire, salt from tears also assuming he is R+L=J because for him to be azor ahai he needs to be rhaegar son, He would be the grandson of Aerys and Rhaella and thus come from their line.) well, that's what i think and ignoring the possibility of wildlings help jon when he is stab (if the wildlings help then jon should have survived)

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      Brimstone 4 years ago

      Fire will heal his wounds and his mother is a wolf and his father is a Dragon only two dragons still live he is tied to that one the white dragon

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      erik 4 years ago

      He is not dead. Reread the Melisandre chapter in A Dance of Dragons and you read that she sees Jon as a man then a wolf then a man in her visions in the flames.

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      TBlank 4 years ago

      has anyone considered the possibility that a warg can inhabit a wight? or that perhaps a warg can't truly be turned into a wight? maybe that's how Benjen was able to be turned into a wight but still stay the man he was.

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      novlio 4 years ago

      Might not have been Jon. Don't forget that the sorceress can make anyone look like anyone else if they wear the right stuff. She may have put a spell on someone to be a Jon decoy because of her visions.

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      nameless 4 years ago

      and maybe the wildling will find some way to save him not in the way like r'hlor saves people when they are looking as zombies with all the wounds...maybe they will take him to bran and the children of the forest....and they will save him in nice way and he will look like before...or maybe he will be something like coldhands....coldhands seems to be benjen stark or other stark of night watch...maybe starks can't be wights so they stay in the middle...and maybe jon will have black hands (doesn't matter cause one of his hand is already burned) and will be so fine as now...

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      nameless 4 years ago

      i hope,that he isn't dead...there must be some explanation what hapenned...why would GRRM create so amazing character just to kill him without the reason...why would he write about him so much? this story about his mother....why he would put it there if he didn't want us to know it?and how we can know it when there is no jon anymore? it doesn't make sense.he must stay alive in any way of living.to know about him.he had the story,he had a traits,he had a responsibility....no...he hadn't....he HAS,cause i don't believe he is dead....and what about ghost?what would they do with him?he was angry this day and also the raven,but...tormund was there with all the wildlings he saved....in many cases they were better people than others on the south of the wall...i think they will help him,kill all the bad boys in night watch an make it as honorable as it was in the past...he must live for the people who need him...for killing white walkers...and also he can't die without knowing his brothers are still alive...somewhere...like a tree maybe as in bran's case...and he must know about his mother....and maybe that ned wasn't his father as in theory about lyanna and rhaegar...and he must tel catelyn about it...that's becaouse she is still alive i think...she can't die with pain in her heart cause ned had a bastard....ok,i shoud stop this effort to explain something in english, but be with me and thik jon isn't dead because of reasons i mentioned above...

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      Inconcessus 4 years ago

      I wish he is dead and later revived by the Others to lead their armies of wights, with the recent wars there is an abundance of corpses. Seriously I hope all or at least most of Westeros becomes a frozen and barren wasteland in the next book.

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      ScienceOfLife 4 years ago

      I read once someone saying something like "Smoke, salt, ice? That's how you preserve fish, specifically herring. Jon Snow = Red Herring?!"

      Food for thought?! But no I agree with the previous commenter actually, except that I don't think Jon will necessarily turn out to be the hero everyone expects. Nor Danaerys. In fact, I wonder if she'll end up in a forced marriage to Stannis after a failed invasion, assuming all goes well for Stannis in the north.

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      The Celt 4 years ago

      Think about Julius Caesar. His death and Jon's are very similar. How about this. Jon Snow is dead...Howland Reed tells the story of Jon being the son R+L...which in turn leads everyone learning that the only hope for humanity, Jon Snow, is dead. Then Dany shows up with her dragons and burns all the bad dudes to crisp shit...none of this will happen, but I think it's an interesting twist.

      Jon Snow isn't dead. What everyone is saying on here makes logical sense.

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      ScienceOfLife 4 years ago

      Daenerys was reborn in FIRE and blood. She burned her sorceress, trading a life for new life.

      Jon could be reborn in ICE (and 'amidst smoke and salt', as per one of many prophecies).

      This could become the main of the Song of Ice and Fire.

      I hope Jon was killed or mortally wounded, but somehow "preserved" within the power of the Wall, and I hope that Melisandre doesn't touch him as many speculate she will. She's bad news, bad at her craft, and foolish. Although Jon was also foolish for ignoring her warnings: 'daggers in the dark'.

      I hope Daenerys lands in Westeros, goes to Starfall, retrieves their ancestral greatsword Dawn, brings it north to the Wall, meets the Reeds, learns of Jon's true parentage, seeks out Jon who's "preserved" somehow in Magic Wall Ice, finds a way to "revive" him as Azor Ahai, and they make sexy, sexy war on the Others.

      But this won't happen.

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      Gorion 4 years ago

      He's dead and he will come back ... first in his wolf and after some time melisindre will find a way!! She must!!!

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      Enoch the Red 4 years ago

      One hint, that there could be dragons under the wall, is that Melisandres magic works much better at the wall and the alchemists see a connection between the return of the dragons and the increased power of their spells. In Danys Karth-chapter the same comparison is drawn. There are others, which i can spell out because i "must needs" to look them up. ;)

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      Enoch the Red 4 years ago

      I still think that there are Ice Dragons under the wall and Jon will be the one to wake them. There are some hints at Ice Dragons and i think it is like the reversed ritual from Dany. She needed fire, Jon needs ice. They will bring him to the ice cells to keep him fresh until the bastard arrives and something will happen with the wights, Jon and the wall. It is only an inkling, but to me it seems quite probable.

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      joshua 4 years ago

      If john is the son of fire an ice.I think he will need something big to bring out the power if fire. There to be some one to lead the fight in.john is the only

      character who will fight for the hole relam. I believe the next time we read about j.s he will have silver hair an be all most dead in the ice cells.

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      AkHiLLeUS 4 years ago

      What's wrong with Martin????

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      Nikki 4 years ago

      I think that we have seen the "death" of Jon Snow's moral character as a young man. He is unsure of himself as a commander of the nights watch and by extension, that mindset would have him refuting the possibility that he should be a ruler of the free world (pun intended). He has been told his entire life that he is less than worthy, and has been forced to remain, well in a sense, tame. He had to "die" to become warged with Ghost for an extended amount of time, unleashing his wild(-ling) side to realize his full potential. Don't get me wrong, I think he will still have a solid moral compass, but will come back slightly unhinged. He will have left his boyhood fears and doubts behind. He will become a man.

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      krysto4 4 years ago

      Jon attacked by plot of deceit from Ramsay. Ramsey sent word to Queen's men, who leak false news of Jon's plot to betray the watch to the brothers.

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      williamivers 4 years ago

      Too often we have been led down this road by George. Too often we are thinking that someone is gone and they are not. Since Melisandre is nearby and knowing the power of Rhllor and the red priests (remember how many times Beric Dondarrion was brought back to life before finally giving up the ghost to bring Catelyn back. No, we have not seen the last of Jon Snow. Melisandre for her part has been spiralling between good and evil as well. She reminds me of the ancient slogan Might makes Right. As far as Mance is concerned, it appears now that he has been captured by Bolton (per the letter, though this is not an absolute certainty since Bolton also claims to have killed Stannis and taken his sword.) My guess is that Mance either had a similar sword or has Jon's sword with him. Jon is grievously wounded for sure but just as sure is that he go to the rescue of Winterfell and Stannis (probably seen by Melisandre who also saw that the ships sent to rescue the hapless free folk are all lost as well). No there is a subplot here and Melisandre is at the center of it. Jon also needs to rescue Val from the possible clutches of Selyse and her henchmen. Melisandre needs to protect Val and Gilly's child from them and saw that this was the perfect opportunity. Jon knows that the rescue of the free folk will not be easy and also that the rescue of Stannis and Winterfell is necessary to save the wall. He also knows that he can trust no one at the wall and needs to accomplish his deeds in secrecy. Melisandre has already saved Mance Rayder and Davos Seaworth from certain death. She likes Jon Snow (has stated that several times and has seen him in her fires). In fact, Jon may not at this moment know his own fate or what she has in store for him. Ramsey Bolton is mad and could care less about what the real purpose of the wall is. He is more of a danger than the Wildlings ever were.

      Bran on the other hand has already made his new presence known by affecting Reek to the point that returned to being Theon. The one character that I wish was still around -- Sandor Clegane.

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      carolina 4 years ago

      If moroqo cured victarions hand, I think melisandre will have the power to help Jon Snow. I still think that Jon Snow its going to be pretty important in the future books. Another thing that have me intrigued is when mormonts crow said "Jon Snow", and Jon Snow thinks to himself " I didn't remember that the crow knew my complete name, he only sais to me snow", so I think that there could be some relation with Bran and his new developed powers

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      Edward William 5 years ago from UK

      You're not interested in Tyrion or Arya?

      I agree, he does love killing people who are actively contributing to making the books interesting.

      I think killing Ned was essential though, with him gone there's so much more propensity for the Stark kids to stand or fail on their own merit.

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      Alec 5 years ago

      I refuse to read the end of ADWD or continue the story until i read a spoiler confirming that he is still alive. I am sick of GRRM killing off/rendering useless the few characters that I care about. Without exagerration, Jon Snow was the only remaining character I gave a damn about after the deaths of Eddard and Robb and the maiming of Jaime essentially rendering him a useless ponce.

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      kw colorado 5 years ago from colorado

      Ratty: You're right about the "hand" motif in the books. Even the office of chief of staff of the iron throne is called the Hand of the King. My guess is that the hand symbolizes power, and the holding of power. First Ned Stark, the King's Hand, holds power - then it is taken out of his "hand", when he hands over Robert's document to Queen Cersei, who tears it up. So power is taken away from him because he literally "hands it over."

      Tyrion is the Hand's minion, (the Hand's hand), then is Hand himself for a while, until again, Cersei takes it away by trying to assassinate him. Jaime's literal physical hand is chopped off, when he is taken captive by brigands. The Starks didn't do that to him, but his own side, more or less, did, when he began to be more of a nuanced character who follows his own conscience rather than just the Queen's wishes. Jon's hand is burnt when he confronts a wight - which is partly why I think that this foreshadows how important the wights will be later in the story. Notice, too, that Jon's hand survived the burning, although he is scarred. This bodes well for his being able to overpower the wight menace in the last books - and no, I don't think that Jon is truly dead.

      Davos had his finger joints chopped by order of Stannis, losing his power as a smuggler, but gaining power as a counselor and adviser, and later, officially a Hand.

      Littlefinger holds power surreptitiously, sneaking around and manipulating the Stark family in order to increase his own power.

      Definitely, along with ice and fire and Dragons, hands are a major motif and symbol in this series. Thanks for pointing that out.

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      Anonymous 5 years ago

      If in fact Jon Snow died from the knife wounds, the chapter still ends with him feeling the cold. This may lead to his character being reborn as a wight. Although many will be unsatisfied that their favorite character is a mindless zombie, I think the Starks may react significantly to the cold of the North and will be the same person (traits, feelings, etc.). This goes to me being convinced Coldhands is Benjen Stark.

      But still no one will know for sure until the sixth installment is released. I do hope he lives because, like many, he is my favorite character in the series and one of the most developed in the book.

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      ratty 5 years ago

      maybe victarion's hand was burnt and cured by the red priest m0rqo(¿?) to open the way for melissandre curing jon's knife wounds with fire...?

      i don't think he necessarily needs to die and be freed of his responsabilty as Lord Commander of the Night Watch. Of course as a Stark he is honour-bound and would never betray his Oath, but if he is also a Targaryaen (Rhaegar's son) , we may be about to see his true Targaryaen colours. He may be about to break his vows to the Nights Watch (justified or not) in quest of justice.

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      ratty 5 years ago

      and what about all the hands??

      Victarion's hand is burnt, Jaime's is golden, cold hands are black, jon's is burnt as well...what is that all about?

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      Monica R. 5 years ago

      Although I did get a good chuckle envisioning Jon come back as Davos' good mate - Martin would've really thrown us all for a loop there!

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      Monica R. 5 years ago

      I think Rob meant Azor Ahai.

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      TheGreatjon 5 years ago

      My guess is he dies and either... 1) lives on as Ghost 2) is dead.. just dead 3) That Melisandre brings him back with the kiss of life

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      Edward William 5 years ago from UK

      Isn't Sallhador Saan that pirate chappy?

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      Rob 5 years ago

      I believe Jon isn't dead, because the book series title is a song of ice and fire and the two main characters Daenarys (Fire) and Jon (ice) An killing off Jon would only leave Arya (who is in The Faceless Men)and Sansa (who is in The Vale) as Characters Who could possibly represent the Ice part of title, and also he is Sallhador Saan reborn. I think this because he dreampt he was wieldin Lightbringer , and Melisandre's throat ruby always glows around Jon; her ruby only glows around sources of magic wjich if Jon was Sallhador Saan reborn would qualify him as being magical. Those are my two facts Thanks for Taking the time to read this.

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      Grumpie 5 years ago

      Maybe the red priestess used the same trick on Jon as she did on the king beyond the wall.